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tisdag 29 april 2008

U G Krishnamurti del 2

I have no teaching. There is nothing to preserve. Teaching implies something that can be used to bring about change. Sorry, there is no teaching here, just disjointed, disconnected sentences.

What is there is only your interpretation, nothing else. For this reason there is not now nor will there ever be any kind of copyright for whatever I am saying. I have no claims.There is no teaching of mine, and never shall be one. "Teaching" is not the word for it. A teaching implies a method or a system, a technique or a new way of thinking to be applied in order to bring about a transformation in your way of life.

What I am saying is outside the field of teachability; it is simply a description of the way I am functioning. It is just a description of the natural state of man -- this is the way you, stripped of the machinations of thought, are also functioning.My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody.

My interest is to point out to you that you can walk, and please throw away all those crutches. If you are really handicapped, I wouldn't advise you to do any such thing. But you are made to feel by other people that you are handicapped so that they could sell you those crutches.

Throw them away and you can walk. That's all that I can say. 'If I fall....' - that is your fear. Put the crutches away, and you are not going to fall.

People call me an 'enlightened man' -- I detest that term -- they can't find any other word to describe the way I am functioning. At the same time, I point out that there is no such thing as enlightenment at all. I say that because all my life I've searched and wanted to be an enlightened man, and I discovered that there is no such thing as enlightenment at all, and so the question whether a particular person is enlightened or not doesn't arise.

I don't give a hoot for a sixth-century-BC Buddha, let alone all the other claimants we have in our midst. They are a bunch of exploiters, thriving on the gullibility of the people.

There is no power outside of man. Man has created God out of fear. So the problem is fear and not God.

The natural state is not the state of a self-realized God-realized man, it is not a thing to be achieved or attained, it is not a thing to be willed into existence; it is there -- it is the living state.

This state is just the functional activity of life.

By 'life' I do not mean something abstract; it is the life of the senses, functioning naturally without the interference of thought.

Thought is an interloper, which thrusts itself into the affairs of the senses. It has a profit motive: thought directs the activity of the senses to get something out of them, and uses them to give continuity to itself.

God is the ultimate pleasure, uninterrupted happiness. No such thing exists. Your wanting something that does not exist is the root of your problem. Transformation, moksha, liberation, and all that stuff are just variations on the same theme: permanent happiness.

All your experiences, all your meditations, all your prayer, all that you do, is self-centred. It is strengthening the self, adding momentum, gathering momentum, so it is taking you in the opposite direction. Whatever you do to be free from the self also is a self-centred activity.There is nothing there, only your relative, experiential data, your truth.

There is no such thing as objective truth at all. There is nothing which exists outside or independent of our minds.

Mind or thought is not yours or mine. It is our common inheritance. There is no such thing as your mind and my mind (it is in that sense mind is a myth). There is only mind, the totality of all that has been known, felt and experienced by man, handed down from generation to generation. We are all thinking and functioning in that thought sphere just as we all share the same atmosphere for breathing.

You have been told that you should practice desirelessness. You have practiced desirelessness for thirty or forty years, but still desires are there. So something must be wrong somewhere. Nothing can be wrong with desire; something must be wrong with the one who has told you to practice desirelessness. This (desire) is a reality; that (desirelessness) is false - it is falsifying you. Desire is there. Desire as such can't be wrong, can't be false, because it is there.

The real problem is the solution. Your problems continue because of the false solutions you have invented. If the answers are not there, the questions cannot be there. They are interdependent; your problems and solutions go together. Because you want to use certain answers to end your problems, those problems continue. The numerous solutions offered by all these holy people, the psychologists, the politicians, are not really solutions at all. That is obvious. They can only exhort you to try harder, practice more meditations, cultivate humility, stand on your head, and more and more of the same. That is all they can do.
If you brushed aside your hope, fear, and naiveté‚ and treated these fellows like businessmen, you would see that they do not deliver the goods, and never will. But you go on and on buying these bogus wares offered up by the experts.

I can never sit on a platform and talk. It is too artificial. It is a waste of time to sit and discuss things in hypothetical or abstract terms. An angry man does not sit and talk and converse pleasantly about anger; he is too angry. So don't tell me that you are in crisis, that you are angry. Why talk of anger? You live and die in the hope that someday, somehow, you will no longer be angry. You are burdened with hope, and if this life seems hopeless, you invent the next life. There are no lives to come.

My interest is not to knock off what others have said (that is too easy) but to knock off what I am saying. More precisely, I am trying to stop what you are making out of what I am saying.

This is why my talking sounds contradictory to others. I am forced by the nature of your listening to always negate the first statement with another statement. Then the second statement is negated by a third and so on. My aim is not some comfy dialectical thesis but the total negation of everything that can be expressed.

I have no message for mankind.

Each individual by virtue of his genetic structure is unparalleled, unprecedented and unrepeatable.

You are always suffering because you want to be other than what you are.

To be yourself requires extraordinary intelligence. You are blessed with that intelligence; nobody need give it to you; nobody can take it away from you. He who lets that express itself in its own way is a 'Natural Man'.

It is an act of futility to relate my description to the way you are functioning. When you stop all this comparison, what is there is your Natural State. Then you will not listen to anybody.

That beaten track will lead you nowhere. There is no oasis situated yonder; you are stuck with the mirage.

The Natural State is a state of great sensitivity - but this is a physical sensivity of the senses, not some kind of emotional compassion or tenderness for others. There is compassion only in the sense that there are no 'others' for me, and so there is no separation.What is here, this Natural State, is a living thing. It cannot be captured by me, let alone by you. It's like a flower. You can't preserve its perfume; whatever you preserve of this is only a synthetic, a chemical perfume, not the living thing;This [Natural State] is a state in which questioning has stopped. It has stopped because those questions have no relation to the way the organism is functioning, and the way the organism is functioning leaves no room for questions.

The world's problems are nothing but extensions of our personal problems.The so-called self-realisation is the discovery for yourself and by yourself that there is no self to discover. That will be a very shocking thing because it's going to blast every nerve, every cell, even the cells in the marrow of your bones.

The body is not interested in anything you are interested in. And that is the battle that is going on all the time.This body doesn't want to learn anything. Left to itself it has tremendous intelligence.

The human thinking is born out of some sort of neurological defect in the human body. Therefore anything that is born out of human thinking is destructive.

Order and disorder occur simultaneously in nature.In nature there is no death or destruction at all. What occurs is the reshuffling of atoms. If there is a need or necessity to maintain the balance of 'energy' in this universe, death occurs.

Consciousness is so pure that whatever you are doing in the direction of purifying that consciousness is adding impurity to it.All that is necessary for the survival of this living organism is already there.

The tremendous intelligence of the body is no match for all that we have gathered and acquired through our intellect.Whenever such a thing [enlightenment] happened, it happened to those people who had given up completely and totally all their search. That is an absolute requisite for that kind of a thing.

Life has to be described in pure and simple physical and physiological terms. It must be demystified and depsychologised.Thought can never capture the moment of life, it is much too slow. It is like lightning and thunder. They occur simultaneously, but sound, travelling slower than light, reaches you later, creating the illusion of two separate events.

All the accumulated knowledge, experience, and suffering of mankind is inside you. You must build a huge bonfire within you. The you will become an individual. There is no other way.You know the story of Alice in Wonderland. The red queen has to run faster and faster to keep still where she is. That is exactly what you are doing. Running faster and faster. But you are not moving anywhere.

Nature is interested in only two things - to survive and to reproduce one like itself. Anything you superimpose on that, all the cultural input, is responsible for the boredom of man.

The fundamental attributes of life are survival and reproduction.

Nature is busy creating absolutely unique individuals, whereas culture has invented a single mould to which all must conform. It is grotesque.Society, which has created all these sociopaths, has invented morality to protect itself from them.

Society has created the 'saints' and 'sinners'. I don't accept them as such.

You just don't have the courage to be yourself. That means you have to be alone in this world - one without a second.If anyone thinks he can help you, he will inevitably mislead you, and the less phoney he is, the more powerful he is; the more enlightened he is, the more misery and mischief he will create for you.

My mission, if there is any, should be, from now on, to debunk every statement I have made.

If you take seriously and try to use or apply what I have said, you will be in danger.Spirituality is the invention of the mind, and the mind is a myth.

It is a little easier to talk to those who have attempted thought-control - who have done some sadhana - because they experience the futility of it and can see where they are hung up.

A messiah is the one who leaves a mess behind him in this world.

Religions have promised roses but you end up with only thorns.

Going to the pub or the temple is exactly the same; it is quick fix.

The body has no independent existence. You are a squatter there.

God and sex go together. If God goes sex goes, too.

All experiences however extraordinary they may be are in the area of sensuality.

Man cannot be anything other than what he is. Whatever he is, he will create a society that mirrors him.

Love and hate are not opposite ends of the same spectrum; they are one and the same thing. They are much closer than kissing cousins.

Gurus play a social role, so do prostitutes.

By using the models of Jesus, Buddha, or Krishna we have destroyed the possibility of nature throwing up unique individuals.

It would be more interesting to learn from children, than try to teach them how to behave, how to live and how to function.

All I can guarantee you is that as long as you are searching for happiness, you will remain unhappy.

You eat not food but ideas.
What you wear are not clothes, but labels and names.

The plain fact is that if you don't have a problem, you create one.

If you don't have a problem you don't feel that you are living.

That messy thing called 'mind' has created many destructive things. By far the most destructive of them all is God.Atmospheric pollution is most harmless when compared to the spiritual and religious pollution that have plagued the world.

Nature is busy creating absolutely unique individuals, where as culture has invented a single mold to which all must conform. It is grotesque.

"All I am saying is that the peace you are seeking is already inside you. Anything you do to free yourself from anything for whatever reason is destroying the sensitivity, clarity, and freedom that is already there."There is one thought. Everything exists in relationship to that one thought. That thought is 'me'. Anything you experience based on thought is an illusion."

"You never question the solutions. If you really question the solutions you will have to question the ones who have offered you those solutions. But sentimentality stands in the way of your rejecting not only the solutions, but those who have offered you the solutions. Questioning that requires a tremendous courage on your part. You can have the courage to climb the mountain, swim the lakes, go on a raft to the other side of the Atlantic or Pacific. That any fool can do, but the courage to be on your own, to stand on your two solid feet, is something which cannot be given by somebody. You cannot free yourself of that burden by trying to develop that courage. If you are freed from the entire burden of the entire past of mankind, then what is left there is the courage."

"There is nothing to understand. How that understanding dawned on me, I really don't know. The understanding that this instrument (the intellect) is really not the instrument to understand anything is something that cannot be communicated. This instrument is only interested in perpetuating itself through what it calls 'understanding', which in reality are its own machinations. It is only sharpening itself to maintain its own continuity. When once you know that it is the instrument and that there is no other instrument, then there is nothing more to understand."

"We don't want to be free from fear. All that we want to do is to play games with it and talk about freeing ourselves from fear... If you have the courage to touch life for the first time, you will never know what hit you. Everything man has thought, felt and experienced is gone, and nothing is put in its place... When the movement in the direction of becoming something other than what you are isn't there any more, you are not in conflict with yourself."

6 kommentarer:

Anonym sa...

Amen!

no one ever, to my knowledge, laid it out as simply, clearly and to the point, as that guy did. Nobody. Because they all had a 'profit motive'.

praveen sa...

Ug is a helping hand for those who are fried up in spiritual hell .

Roshi sa...

Praveen, indeed....hmm..I like that "Spiritual hell"...that´s the word.

Roshi sa...

Anonym...I agree whith you.

Anonym sa...

Ramlade in här.
Krishnamurti verkar dyka upp lite lägligt för mig då och då.

Hehe...han sammanfattar mina tankar från 15-årsåldern.


/ibsa

Roshi sa...

Ramla in du, ingen är inbjuden och alla är välkomna.

Om du är intresserad av UG så har Praveen en hel del att bjuda på sin blogg...