To start with....there is no such “thing” as Mind, God, a “me”, world outside, universe, soul, heaven, hell, truth, awareness and enlightenment.
All languages, words and concepts are a lie. There is no truth for someone. Even that is not true (!). With this preparation we can start a conversation, a talk about….
Otherwise we must agree about the “thing” and that’s never going happen.
So first “things” must be cleared out, before we can start a fruitful conversation.
There is no such "thing" called…..