Sometimes something immensely beautiful happens in the meetings. When the holder of the meeting says something for example like this:
No-one is actually sitting in this room ( and there is lot of people sitting there), and….
This is the worst place for a “mind”, a “I”, separate “me” to be, and….
Poff! And the openness, the space enters, and you don’t ever want to leave the place, the room.
Everything that is said in the meeting makes room for the real happening…..
THIS……
In the crowdie room, there is no meeting- holder or an audience. Just an immensely, beautiful, open space were nothing and still everything happens. This aroma, fragrance fills my inner being with gratefulness….THIS is what the meetings for.
roshi--@hotmail.com
måndag 26 maj 2008
söndag 25 maj 2008
"I"
Your sense of an "I" tells you that you are separate. This sense keeps you away from the whole; witch is always there and has ever been. This “I” is the focus you look with and perceive the world. This “I” divides everything and this dividing make things more and more complex and complicated, but the hope for understanding and clarity in the future, and a feeling of collecting more and more knowledge is what keeps it going on. In the end of the day, the “I” is hopelessly lost.
The only way out (if there is any) is when the “I” sees when it went wrong in the first place, seeing this, it knows it owns helplessness. In this seeing through, “I” knows its place, the limits. It’s just a part in the whole. Its inside the whole. The part can ever be the whole. But the whole includes the part.
The only way out (if there is any) is when the “I” sees when it went wrong in the first place, seeing this, it knows it owns helplessness. In this seeing through, “I” knows its place, the limits. It’s just a part in the whole. Its inside the whole. The part can ever be the whole. But the whole includes the part.
lördag 17 maj 2008
The angel in the tree
Everything that appears in awareness is nothing other than awareness, your co-workers, clients, superiors, absolutely everything, including the premises, the furniture and the equipment. First understand this intellectually, then verify that this is so. There comes a moment where this feeling of intimacy, this benevolent space around you no longer goes away; you find yourself at home everywhere, even in the packed waiting room of a train station. You only go out of it when you go into the past or the future. Do not stay in that hovel. This immensity awaits you right here, at this very moment. Already being acquainted with its presence and once having tasted the harmony underlying appearances, let the perceptions of the external world and your body sensations unfold freely in your welcoming awareness until the moment that the background of plenitude reveals itself spontaneously.
This reversal of perspective is analogous to that which allows the sudden recognition of an angelic face in a tree in one of those early twentieth century prints that so delight children. At first we only see the tree, then informed by a caption under the picture that an angel is hiding there, we begin a meticulous examination of the foliage until we finally see the angel which had always been right there before our eyes. What is important is to know that there is an angel, where it is hiding and to have once experienced the process by which the tree progressively loses its form to the point where the lines of which appearance is composed begin to appear as such and then recompose to confide the secret of the image to us.
Once the way is paved, subsequent reversals of perspective are easier and easier until we see the angel and the tree simultaneously, so to speak. In the same way, once our true nature has been recognized, the remaining distinctions between ignorance and awakening become progressively blurred and yield to the fundamental suchness of being.
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Be ready. Be available. You are available when you understand that there is nothing that you can do on your own to get to the King. When you acknowledge your total powerlessness, you become an empty room. As soon as you become an empty room, you are a sanctuary. So the King can enter, take the throne and grace you with immortal presence.
Francis Lucille
http://www.francislucille.com
This reversal of perspective is analogous to that which allows the sudden recognition of an angelic face in a tree in one of those early twentieth century prints that so delight children. At first we only see the tree, then informed by a caption under the picture that an angel is hiding there, we begin a meticulous examination of the foliage until we finally see the angel which had always been right there before our eyes. What is important is to know that there is an angel, where it is hiding and to have once experienced the process by which the tree progressively loses its form to the point where the lines of which appearance is composed begin to appear as such and then recompose to confide the secret of the image to us.
Once the way is paved, subsequent reversals of perspective are easier and easier until we see the angel and the tree simultaneously, so to speak. In the same way, once our true nature has been recognized, the remaining distinctions between ignorance and awakening become progressively blurred and yield to the fundamental suchness of being.
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Be ready. Be available. You are available when you understand that there is nothing that you can do on your own to get to the King. When you acknowledge your total powerlessness, you become an empty room. As soon as you become an empty room, you are a sanctuary. So the King can enter, take the throne and grace you with immortal presence.
Francis Lucille
http://www.francislucille.com
tisdag 13 maj 2008
My words
The clue is what the "mind" is doing and why the mind can’t undo itself…it’s impossible.....if it was, it would be suicide....no way, says the mind..Mind is missing all the time the essential......there is "no way out".
My question is this: How to handle that?
Maybe let the mind do what it does. Don’t fight whit it. Maybe were there never problems in the beginning.
From the beginning I knew that every act "I" am going to do is going to miss the target. How to act from that?
Or you where never wrong in the first place, everything is right, nothing is denied. Everything is allowed. Saying yes to everything, too all. But that is madness from the mind “point of view”.
The nature of language is to divide. Whatever you are going to say is false. Maybe it’s not even pointing to the right direction. The best pointer is the pointer who is silent..is it?
To talk about that there is a problem creates and feeds the desire to solve it.
To talk about non-duality is to create and feed a desire to achieve something, to get something, that there is a problem, something need to be fixed, something is wrong, something is missing inside me, feeling of los. The desire is there and it will be fed by the talk, the target fades away by the noise. To say this is maybe to totally misunderstand what non-duality rely is, but it can’t be wrong, even misunderstanding could be right in the sense of non-duality
In the moment you say “now” it’s past….? More right to say never ending movement…or?
Roshi...my words!
My question is this: How to handle that?
Maybe let the mind do what it does. Don’t fight whit it. Maybe were there never problems in the beginning.
From the beginning I knew that every act "I" am going to do is going to miss the target. How to act from that?
Or you where never wrong in the first place, everything is right, nothing is denied. Everything is allowed. Saying yes to everything, too all. But that is madness from the mind “point of view”.
The nature of language is to divide. Whatever you are going to say is false. Maybe it’s not even pointing to the right direction. The best pointer is the pointer who is silent..is it?
To talk about that there is a problem creates and feeds the desire to solve it.
To talk about non-duality is to create and feed a desire to achieve something, to get something, that there is a problem, something need to be fixed, something is wrong, something is missing inside me, feeling of los. The desire is there and it will be fed by the talk, the target fades away by the noise. To say this is maybe to totally misunderstand what non-duality rely is, but it can’t be wrong, even misunderstanding could be right in the sense of non-duality
In the moment you say “now” it’s past….? More right to say never ending movement…or?
Roshi...my words!
torsdag 8 maj 2008
Life without a centre
Jeff Foster, a young fellow who talks about non-duality. He is clear about the subject. I like him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe4uXqsytzs
There is more in the Youtubes related videos.
His website: http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/
"...Natural Being is such an ordinary and gentle constant. When it is seen it is. When it is avoided it is. It requires no effort and demands no standards. Being timeless there is no path to tread, no debt to pay...."
- Tony Parsons
"The deed there is, but no doer thereofNirvana is, but no one seeking it..."
- Buddha
"There is no language of the holy.
The sacred lies in the ordinary"
- Deng Ming-Dao
Quotes from his website.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe4uXqsytzs
There is more in the Youtubes related videos.
His website: http://www.lifewithoutacentre.com/
"...Natural Being is such an ordinary and gentle constant. When it is seen it is. When it is avoided it is. It requires no effort and demands no standards. Being timeless there is no path to tread, no debt to pay...."
- Tony Parsons
"The deed there is, but no doer thereofNirvana is, but no one seeking it..."
- Buddha
"There is no language of the holy.
The sacred lies in the ordinary"
- Deng Ming-Dao
Quotes from his website.
Buddha nature
When there is no-thing to say, what to do? Well, Jed likes dogs, maybe they have something say...Why? He says:
Dogs are the most advanced beings on the planet. They are fully self-realized.
They forgive instantly. They are empathetic and sympathetic.
They are incapable of guilte or dishonesty. They’re always in the moment.
…not carrying the past or fretting about the future. Everything is always new and wonderful.
The ideal qualities – unconditional love, loyalty, devotion, unwavering friendship, forgiveness, selflessness, sincerity, being fully present in the moment, happiness – qualities we uphold…as the lofties ideals to which we might aspire, they look very much like a good dog.
Dog consciousness. Of Course, by those same ideal standards, humans are far and away…
The least evolved beings on the planet. Do dogs have a Buddha nature?
Dogs are Buddha nature. We don’t need books and teachers and philosophies.
If you want to learn from a spiritual master, get a dog, they’re the real zen-masters.
Jed Mckenna
Dogs are the most advanced beings on the planet. They are fully self-realized.
They forgive instantly. They are empathetic and sympathetic.
They are incapable of guilte or dishonesty. They’re always in the moment.
…not carrying the past or fretting about the future. Everything is always new and wonderful.
The ideal qualities – unconditional love, loyalty, devotion, unwavering friendship, forgiveness, selflessness, sincerity, being fully present in the moment, happiness – qualities we uphold…as the lofties ideals to which we might aspire, they look very much like a good dog.
Dog consciousness. Of Course, by those same ideal standards, humans are far and away…
The least evolved beings on the planet. Do dogs have a Buddha nature?
Dogs are Buddha nature. We don’t need books and teachers and philosophies.
If you want to learn from a spiritual master, get a dog, they’re the real zen-masters.
Jed Mckenna
onsdag 7 maj 2008
Vishrant
Sometimes I want to listen to something nice, and to feel good. Vishrant is good, nice to listen to. Here is a Tubelink. I don't know anything about him...anyway, he say some nice things. Look also to the related videos to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiLDjxJBwro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9wXexdSEfg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA1oKmpTkzE&feature=related
All this links is about enlightenment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiLDjxJBwro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9wXexdSEfg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA1oKmpTkzE&feature=related
All this links is about enlightenment.
tisdag 6 maj 2008
Jed McKenna again
Jed McKenna is an enlightened teacher. He had an ashram in Iowa, numerous students (several of whom became enlightened), and has three books to his name: Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnedest Thing, Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment, and Spiritual Warfare. A lot of folks criticize Jed McKenna because he doesn't fit their image of a spiritual teacher.
Jed:
Here’s a simple test. If it’s soothing or comforting, if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy; if it’s about getting into pleasant emotional or mental states; if it’s about peace, love, tranquility, silence or bliss; if it’s about a brighter future or a better tomorrow; if it makes you feel good about yourself or boosts your self-esteem, tells you you’re okay, tells you everything’s just fine the way it is; if it offers to improve, benefit or elevate you, or if it suggests that someone else is better or above you; if it’s about belief or faith or worship; if it raises or alters consciousness; if it combats stress or deepens relaxation, or if it’s therapeutic or healing, or if it promises happiness or relief from unhappiness, if it’s about any of these or similar things, then it’s not about waking up. Then it’s about living in the dreamstate, not smashing out of it.On the other hand, if it feels like you’re being skinned alive, if it feels like a prolonged evisceration, if you feel your identity unraveling, if it twists you up physically and drains your health and derails your life, if you feel love dying inside you, if it seems like death would be better, then it’s probably the process of awakening. That, or a helluva case of gas.
Jed has a stark vision of the quest for Truth:
I like happiness as much as the next guy, but it’s not happiness that sends one in search of truth. It’s rabid, feverish, clawing madness to stop being a lie, regardless of price, come heaven or hell. This isn’t about higher consciousness or self-discovery or heaven on earth. This is about blood-caked swords and Buddha’s rotting head and self-immolation, and anyone who says otherwise is selling something they don’t have.
The emperor has no clothes, and sooner or later everyone is going to see what’s staring them right in the face. When that happens, perhaps, there will be a major shift—a mass exodus away from the complexity and futility of all spiritual teachings. An exodus not outward toward Japan or India or Tibet, but inward, toward the self—toward self-reliance, toward self-determination, toward a common sense approach to figuring out just what the hell’s going on around here. A wiping of the slate. A fresh start. Sincere, intelligent people dispensing with the past and beginning anew. Beginning by asking themselves, "Okay, where are we? What do we know for sure? What do we know that’s true?"
I’m not relevant to anyone’s search. I’m just a finger pointing at the moon. There’s nothing to be learned from the finger. Everybody’s eager to find a distraction from the real work of waking up, but that’s all it is, a distraction.
Your moments of blackest despair are really your most honest moments—your most lucid moments. That’s when you’re seeing without your protective lenses. That’s when you pull back the curtain and see things as they are.
Self-realization isn’t about more, it’s about less. The only construction required for awakening is that which facilitates demolition.
If I were to reduce this book and my teachings to their essence, I would say it all comes down to nothing more than this: Think for yourself and figure out what’s true. That’s it. Ask yourself what’s true until you know. Everything else in this book, everything else I have to say on the subject, turns on that center.
I never thought of waking up as a spiritual pursuit, I just wanted to get to the truth. Looking back, I can see where I might have used the word "infinity" in a koan-like manner; kind of a Western version of mu. Infinity is beautiful; it destroys everything it touches. It annihilates all concepts, all beliefs, all sense of self. No teacher, teaching, book or practice could ever be as effective as simply allowing the thought of infinity to slowly devour you.
"Spiritual awakening," I continue, "is about discovering what’s true. Anything that’s not about getting to the truth must be discarded. Truth isn’t about knowing things—you already know too much. It’s about un knowing. It’s not about becoming true, it’s about un becoming false so that all that’s left is truth. If you want to become a priest or a lama or a rabbi or a theologian, then there’s a lot to learn—tons and tons. But if you want to figure out what’s true, then it’s a whole different process and the last thing you need is more knowledge."
This was something about Jed, fiction ore not, I don't care. Where is the finger pointing....?
Jed:
Here’s a simple test. If it’s soothing or comforting, if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy; if it’s about getting into pleasant emotional or mental states; if it’s about peace, love, tranquility, silence or bliss; if it’s about a brighter future or a better tomorrow; if it makes you feel good about yourself or boosts your self-esteem, tells you you’re okay, tells you everything’s just fine the way it is; if it offers to improve, benefit or elevate you, or if it suggests that someone else is better or above you; if it’s about belief or faith or worship; if it raises or alters consciousness; if it combats stress or deepens relaxation, or if it’s therapeutic or healing, or if it promises happiness or relief from unhappiness, if it’s about any of these or similar things, then it’s not about waking up. Then it’s about living in the dreamstate, not smashing out of it.On the other hand, if it feels like you’re being skinned alive, if it feels like a prolonged evisceration, if you feel your identity unraveling, if it twists you up physically and drains your health and derails your life, if you feel love dying inside you, if it seems like death would be better, then it’s probably the process of awakening. That, or a helluva case of gas.
Jed has a stark vision of the quest for Truth:
I like happiness as much as the next guy, but it’s not happiness that sends one in search of truth. It’s rabid, feverish, clawing madness to stop being a lie, regardless of price, come heaven or hell. This isn’t about higher consciousness or self-discovery or heaven on earth. This is about blood-caked swords and Buddha’s rotting head and self-immolation, and anyone who says otherwise is selling something they don’t have.
The emperor has no clothes, and sooner or later everyone is going to see what’s staring them right in the face. When that happens, perhaps, there will be a major shift—a mass exodus away from the complexity and futility of all spiritual teachings. An exodus not outward toward Japan or India or Tibet, but inward, toward the self—toward self-reliance, toward self-determination, toward a common sense approach to figuring out just what the hell’s going on around here. A wiping of the slate. A fresh start. Sincere, intelligent people dispensing with the past and beginning anew. Beginning by asking themselves, "Okay, where are we? What do we know for sure? What do we know that’s true?"
I’m not relevant to anyone’s search. I’m just a finger pointing at the moon. There’s nothing to be learned from the finger. Everybody’s eager to find a distraction from the real work of waking up, but that’s all it is, a distraction.
Your moments of blackest despair are really your most honest moments—your most lucid moments. That’s when you’re seeing without your protective lenses. That’s when you pull back the curtain and see things as they are.
Self-realization isn’t about more, it’s about less. The only construction required for awakening is that which facilitates demolition.
If I were to reduce this book and my teachings to their essence, I would say it all comes down to nothing more than this: Think for yourself and figure out what’s true. That’s it. Ask yourself what’s true until you know. Everything else in this book, everything else I have to say on the subject, turns on that center.
I never thought of waking up as a spiritual pursuit, I just wanted to get to the truth. Looking back, I can see where I might have used the word "infinity" in a koan-like manner; kind of a Western version of mu. Infinity is beautiful; it destroys everything it touches. It annihilates all concepts, all beliefs, all sense of self. No teacher, teaching, book or practice could ever be as effective as simply allowing the thought of infinity to slowly devour you.
"Spiritual awakening," I continue, "is about discovering what’s true. Anything that’s not about getting to the truth must be discarded. Truth isn’t about knowing things—you already know too much. It’s about un knowing. It’s not about becoming true, it’s about un becoming false so that all that’s left is truth. If you want to become a priest or a lama or a rabbi or a theologian, then there’s a lot to learn—tons and tons. But if you want to figure out what’s true, then it’s a whole different process and the last thing you need is more knowledge."
This was something about Jed, fiction ore not, I don't care. Where is the finger pointing....?
söndag 4 maj 2008
UG Krishnamurti del 3
You can never understand this; you can only experience this in terms of your past experience. This is outside the realm of experience. The natural state is acausal: it just happens. No communication is possible, and none necessary. The only thing that is real to you is the way you are functioning; it is an act of futility to relate my description to the way you are functioning. When you stop all this comparison, what is there is your natural state. Then you will not listen to anybody.
The natural state is not the state of a self-realized God-realized man, it is not a thing to be achieved or attained, it is not a thing to be willed into existence; it is there -- it is the living state. This state is just the functional activity of life. By 'life' I do not mean something abstract; it is the life of the senses, functioning naturally without the interference of thought. Thought is an interloper, which thrusts itself into the affairs of the senses. It has a profit motive: thought directs the activity of the senses to get something out of them, and uses them to give continuity to itself.
This state is a physical condition of your being. It is not some kind of psychological mutation. It is not a state of mind into which you can fall one day, and out of it the next day. You can't imagine the extent to which, as you are now, thought pervades and interferes with the functioning of every cell in your body. Coming into your natural state will blast every cell, every gland, every nerve. It is a chemical change. An alchemy of some sort takes place. But this state has nothing to do with the experiences of chemical drugs such as LSD. Those are experiences; this is not.
You can never understand the tremendous peace that is always there within you, that is your natural state. Your trying to create a peaceful state of mind is in fact creating disturbance within you. You can only talk of peace, create a state of mind and say to yourself that you are very peaceful -- but that is not peace; that is violence. So there is no use in practicing peace, there is no reason to practice silence. Real silence is explosive; it is not the dead state of mind that spiritual seekers think. "Oh, I am at peace with myself! There is silence, a tremendous silence! I experience silence!" -- that doesn't mean anything at all. This is volcanic in its nature: it's bubbling all the time -- the energy, the life -- that is its quality. You may ask how I know. I don't know. Life is aware of itself, if we can put it that way -- it is conscious of itself.
The natural state is not the state of a self-realized God-realized man, it is not a thing to be achieved or attained, it is not a thing to be willed into existence; it is there -- it is the living state. This state is just the functional activity of life. By 'life' I do not mean something abstract; it is the life of the senses, functioning naturally without the interference of thought. Thought is an interloper, which thrusts itself into the affairs of the senses. It has a profit motive: thought directs the activity of the senses to get something out of them, and uses them to give continuity to itself.
This state is a physical condition of your being. It is not some kind of psychological mutation. It is not a state of mind into which you can fall one day, and out of it the next day. You can't imagine the extent to which, as you are now, thought pervades and interferes with the functioning of every cell in your body. Coming into your natural state will blast every cell, every gland, every nerve. It is a chemical change. An alchemy of some sort takes place. But this state has nothing to do with the experiences of chemical drugs such as LSD. Those are experiences; this is not.
You can never understand the tremendous peace that is always there within you, that is your natural state. Your trying to create a peaceful state of mind is in fact creating disturbance within you. You can only talk of peace, create a state of mind and say to yourself that you are very peaceful -- but that is not peace; that is violence. So there is no use in practicing peace, there is no reason to practice silence. Real silence is explosive; it is not the dead state of mind that spiritual seekers think. "Oh, I am at peace with myself! There is silence, a tremendous silence! I experience silence!" -- that doesn't mean anything at all. This is volcanic in its nature: it's bubbling all the time -- the energy, the life -- that is its quality. You may ask how I know. I don't know. Life is aware of itself, if we can put it that way -- it is conscious of itself.
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